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BGordon 10-17-2017 11:59 AM

After driving the car daily for a few weeks I have decided to remove the engine and subframe and transmission to correct a few issues.
The issue that required tearing things apart is that the car leaks about 3 drops of oil a day from the rear of the engine.
After checking a few youtube videos it looks like it has to be either the rear oil pan gasket or rear main seal or rear cover being warped, any of which require removing a bunch of stuff to fix.
Lots of people might say that a couple of drops a day is nothing to worry about and just drive it but the situation annoys me.
It leaks just enough that I have a slight burning oil smell every time I start the car to drive.
Edit: Found out that the oil leak is not from the rear seal but is actually the oil filter bracket weeping a small amount of oil as the oil pressure is elevated while driving around. It stops as soon as the engine stops and is very minimal when the car is idling hot, which is why I could not locate the leak exactly. The underside of the car has a light coating of oil on the rear half of the exhaust system and portions of the underside of the body. It should clean off with some de-greaser and elbow grease. The fix was to use some form-a-gasket on the face between the filter housing and the oil pan.
Now there is no reason for me to need to pull the engine other than to further clean up the wiring at the firewall area and the transmission items that need to be cleaned up.

While the drivetrain is out I can take care of the notchy shifting by adding a washer to the indent ball and install an aftermarket shifter and take a look at the clutch plate to make sure everything is playing nicely. The indent ball is on the top of the transmission and does not have enough clearance to remove with the transmission installed.

Also, while it is apart I can add a water temperature gauge and switch over to a 3 gauge pod.

One other thing I am contemplating is installing a more modern camshaft with lifters & springs.
Checking out choices on the internet shows that some that will give significant gains in output but be well mannered.
I would like to have one that gives a redline closer to the 7000 rpm indicated on the Miata tachometer, not that I actually rev that high while driving.
So far I have only run it up to about 5000 rpm a couple of times while entering the highway.

Something I noticed is that V8 Roadsters has a kit to relocate the heater core inlet and outlet to the passenger side that they utilize for V6 swaps. It uses AN fittings and braided lines.
If I get super energetic I might even remove the dash and switch to that style of hoses behind the dash. For some reason I have a worry that the copper tubing and fittings I soldered will start leaking in the future. No idea why I am worried but regardless, my brain has been chewing on that.

At the moment I am making a list and driving the car with the intention of removing the drivetrain during the cold part of Winter when I would not be driving the car anyway.
So far, not a bad fix list considering the scope of changes that have to be done to drop a V8 into a Miata.

pj_mcgarvey 10-17-2017 03:46 PM

Yeah, I had a rear main seal leak right after getting mine on the road. It was a new seal, but guess I didn't install it well enough out of the car - lol.

They do call for some dabs of silicone where the front and rear timing and seal covers meet the oil pan, that could be a point of leaking as well.

I've read on more than one build thread about people not liking the heater core outlet location. I stayed with the oem location and just found the right hoses to do the job, and tucked away properly now I don't even notice they're there. I'd really avoid any temptation to mess with the heater core hard lines at all which would create a very hot, smelly leak situation in the cabin, not to mention having to remove the dash just to fix it.

darkblue 10-18-2017 01:03 PM

Where are you thinking of putting the water temp sensor. I tried the heater hose and the upper rad. the heater hose was about 15C cold and the heater hose about 10C cold.

Do you have a cam etal in mind? My car is already ridiculously fun to drive in town.

BGordon 10-18-2017 01:28 PM

A location for the third temperature sensor is something that I have been thrashing around.
Because the ECU sensor is currently using the sensor location on the driver's side head, that has to left as is.
It leaves me with the passenger side head location which currently has the Miata gauge sensor screwed into it.
My current thinking is to see if the Miata gauge might actually work with the gauge sensor.
If it would, all that would be required would be to tee off the wire under the dash but my guess is that will not actually work.
Murphy's Law at work and that sort of thing.
If that does not work when I test it out then I will use the more accurate cylinder head location for the gauge and then put an adaptor somewhere in the heater hose near the engine connection point to get a less accurate reading for the Miata (nearly useless) gauge.
Edit: since in am going to pull the engine to fix the rear cover leak I am thinking of drilling and tapping somewhere on the water pump housing near the thermostat. From the outside it looks like there is some usable real estate.

For the cam I have been looking at posts on LS1Tech.com to see what people are having good luck with and this is the cam kit I am leaning towards at the present time. Based on feedback from people installing the cam it should gain about 60 HP over the factory LS1 cam and run the redline up a bit due to better valve springs.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...t-asa-cam.html
WS6 Store LS1 High Lift "Hot Cam" Kit | WS6Store | Camshafts | Valvetrain | 98-02 Camaro/Firebird | WS6store.com

darkblue 10-18-2017 02:36 PM

I dont have the miata 'gauge' but if i remember correctly not having it connected is nearly the same as having it connected. The sensor i have is an 1/8ntp by the time i drill out an adapter for the sensor there not enough material left to screw it into the port in the right head.

BGordon 10-18-2017 02:45 PM

The sensor I bought has several thread adaptors in the same package to work with various tapped hole sizes.
They are a flush style and so should not have any problems with installing deep enough to get a good Freon temperature reading.
I did debate not connecting it at all because it is useless but want all the factory gauges to work.
Edit,: None of the adaptors that came wit the gauge sensor have the correct threads to work with the LS1 head tapped opening.
Murphy's Law at work.

One hope is that someday somebody will come out with a replacement instrument cluster that has actual gauges and fits the dash correctly with no need to scab and modify.
Of course that is behind the hope that someday a vendor might come out with reasonable quality headlight covers that make use of good lighting so I can see at night.

BGordon 10-19-2017 10:01 AM

A couple of pictures of the final product. Nothing much to see from the outside. Sleeper, just like I want it to be.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...b8dc8f1302.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...bbec39853f.jpg


Open the hood and the view is nice. Tried to make it look as close to a factory look as possible. Just a nice clean 110k well maintained engine compartment.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...81f8c67218.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...aeb25b3ad7.jpg

And finally an interior shot showing the pillar pod with gauges. Other than that one modification and the aftermarket stereo everything looks stock.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...561df0cb84.jpg

pj_mcgarvey 10-19-2017 03:40 PM

Looks like a very clean and well done swap. #sleeper . :thumbsup:

darkblue 10-19-2017 09:49 PM

nice. what kind of tires do you have?

BGordon 10-19-2017 11:26 PM

Continental 205-45-Z16 all season tires.
Not sure what the wheels are as they were on the car when I bought it.
It works very well for me as a daily driver.

pj_mcgarvey 10-20-2017 07:15 AM

While I'm thinking of it, is that a oem Miata upper strut bar? Been meaning to look into whether it will work with the LS engines. Any issues installing it?

BGordon 10-20-2017 08:21 AM

Presuming you are talking about the support that bolts between the two shock towers, no it is not a stock Miata support.
It is whatever Flyin Miata sells as their current brace with the sticker removed.
It fits well and seems plenty sturdy and stiff and well made.
For me it was sort of an afterthought because I don't drive hard and actually see no reason that it needs to be there but it looks good and keeps the front of the chassis squared and aligned. No reason to take a chance that the chassis could twist and warp in the future if a simple brace would keep that from happening.
The shop I work at has a couple of plasma cutting tables and plenty of scrap laying around and originally I figured on fabricating something but just like a bunch of other stuff, I got lazy and pushed the "easy" button by ordering something from Flyin Miata that I could have actually fabricated for myself.

It is one of the regrets that I have with my build and if I ever do another one I will go ahead and fabricate my own stuff for most of the build.
That way it will take much longer and give me something to do over a longer time frame than the 6 months that this one took.
I am already running up a list of what parts I intend to use for my next build (if that ever happens)

Now to get it tuned to work with the Corvette air intake sensor, something I can't do for myself.

The more I drive the car, the more annoyed I become with the Chevrolet factory shifter.
Originally I was figuring on driving the car till the weather gets cold and tear it back down during the cold part of Winter to take care of the couple of small issues (slightly leaking rear seal) that require removal of the engine and transmission to get at.
Compared to the original Miata shifter, the one that came with the T56 transmission just feels like crap and ruins the sports car feel while driving. It reminds me a bunch of the Mustang 6 speed shifter on the new car that I test drove before deciding to go with an automatic back in 2015.
The very short shift lever probably has a lot to do with the feel and stiffness of shifting since the Camaro lever is about 6" lg. while my lever to keep the knob in the factory location is less than 2" lg.

portabull 10-20-2017 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 23978)
I am already running up a list of what parts I intend to use for my next build (if that ever happens)

oh i bet it happens all right.

BGordon 10-25-2017 12:14 PM

The best "Seat of the pants" comment I can give is second hand from my brother, who drives a beautiful red Honda S2000.
When I first told him of my plan to do an engine swap on my Miata in order to make it as quick as his S2000, he was very negative on the idea and tried real hard to get me to sell it and buy an S2000.
After looking at the swap and listening to the car and taking a short drive, he now gets it. He did say that the fun factor of driving my Miata is well above the fun factor of his S2000. Take that for what it is worth.

Only other real world comparison that I have is a little thing that happened last week while I was driving home from work on Friday.
A guy who drives a fairly new beautiful blue Camaro SS is on the same 2 lane road at about the same time as me quite often. Guess we both get off work at the same time. To make the story short, I was right behind him when turning right from the two lane to the 4 lane highway. We are both in the habit of rolling on the throttle as we "briskly" accelerate onto the highway and he will pull slightly away from my 2015 Mustang GT. He did his usual roll on but I pulled past him with the Miata. The roll on was from about 20 to (cough cough) 70 before both of us lifted as the speed limit is 65 on that stretch of road. He gave me a wave and a thumbs up.
That tells me the Miata is now measurably faster accelerating than my Mustang. Guess it is time to sell the Mustang since having two fast cars is redundant and the Miata is way more fun to drive.

darkblue 10-25-2017 01:02 PM

Zoom Zoom :)

BGordon 11-06-2017 03:19 PM

Over the weekend I did something "interesting".
Not sure yet if it is good or bad, time will tell.
Went to the local SCCA Autocross event that was held in Tulsa yesterday.
Didn't run the car as I just feel it would be better to be more prepared before embarrassing myself and the car.
Turned out to be a smart move as it allowed me to focus on talking to the competitors and riding along.
After riding along with several Miata people making passes and talking to a bunch of people who know more about making a car handle, what I did decide to do is to set up the suspension to mimic the STR class but add some bigger brakes in case I want to do some of the Touring dates at the Hallett road race track, which is just down the road from my house.
The amount of cornering force that the wider & stickier tires allow over the stock class using normal street tires (what are on my car at the moment) just blew me away.
It gives me a direction to point for future modifications to make the suspension more capable of perhaps keeping up with the rest of the drivetrain.
The classification that the SCCA would put me into does not matter to me as long as they allow me to participate.

One thing I did do that did not pan out at all was to post over on the "other" Miata Forum was to ask about changing to an 18" wheel that would make use of the tires that came out on the new Civic type R since that car sat a new lap record at Nuremburg for a front wheel drive car.
Got a huge thumbs down and was told very firmly to stick with the tried and true 15" x 9" lightweight wheels and base my tire choice on the purpose I want the car to fulfill.
According to the recommendations, 12.5# 15" dia. wheels are a huge advantage over 20# 18" dia. wheels in order to keep the quick handling Miata in it's happy place.
It sure seems strange to me that in these days of 18" to 20" wheels being common on performance cars the old 15" wheels are the number one choice for Miata's.
Just about the only time I can remember when new technology is not the answer over old technology.

At least until I change my mind, it gives me a list of parts to install and a reason for doing so between now and March 2018.
Amazing how I seem to find stuff for the car that I just "gotta have".
....15" x 9" wheels and some usable street/track performance tires.
....Will have to roll the fender inner lip to work with the wheels.
....Street/track brake pads all around while considering if big brakes are really needed, EBC Yellow or Hawk street/strip.
....Already have stainless steel brake lines but need to turn my current rotors.
....Two different people who have done Hallett dates in their Miata's told me bigger brakes are not even needed but I am dubious that they were understanding the potential speed difference between a 140HP Miata and a 350HP Miata.
....DOT 4 brake fluid
....Front and Rear sway bars with adjustable end links. Will have to research how to adjust the sway bars.
....Already have V-MAXX shocks so that part is good.
....Already had a 4 wheel alignment done to Flyin Miata recommendations so that part is good.
....An upgraded MGW short throw shifter based on recommendations from the LS1TECH forum folks.
....Hard Dog roll bar that will work with my current stock seats and soft top but is SCCA approved.
....Need to enlarge the hole in one of my tow bar connection points and make a sleeve so the tow bar is still usable but will double as a track tow connection.
....work up a reasonably strong rear track tow connection. Should be simple as an L shaped bracket with a 2" dia. hole.
....Fire extinguisher with mounting bracket. Probably will buy the Flyin Miata item that attaches to the floorboard seat bolting locations.

pj_mcgarvey 11-06-2017 04:55 PM

good deal, sounds like you are going about it the right way. Been years since I autocrossed and never autoxed a Miata, but these cars are just made for dodging cones, and the point and squirt nature of our LS swaps, will make it a blast. Great way to learn the car, and step up to track days once you get more comfortable.

Reminds me I need to get some tow hooks front and rear for my track day.

BGordon 11-10-2017 07:45 AM

Actually weighed the car this morning on the way to work.
There is a set of certified scales at the QuikTrip down the road.
2720 pounds with a full load of fuel and nothing in the car except the spare tire and a bag of tools.
Now I know and don't have to guess any more.

An engine related item that I asked about over on the LS1Tech forum has to do with my oil pressure.
It is running about 60-90 psi when cold and about 40-60 after warming up with 5-20 Full synthetic.
That seems a bit high to me for a completely stock engine but the feedback indicates that those numbers are just where you would want them to be.
GuessI am just used to old school small block Chevy engines running 15 psi at idle.

pj_mcgarvey 11-10-2017 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24045)
Actually weighed the car this morning on the way to work.
There is a set of certified scales at the QuikTrip down the road.
2720 pounds with a full load of fuel and nothing in the car except the spare tire.
Now I know and don't have to guess any more.

An engine related item that I asked about over on the LS1Tech forum has to do with my oil pressure.
It is running about 60-90 psi when cold and about 40-60 after warming up with 5-20 Full synthetic.
That seems a bit high to me for a completely stock engine but the feedback indicates that those numbers are just where you would want them to be.
GuessI am just used to old school small block Chevy engines running 15 psi at idle.

Wow, heavier than I always assumed, though I'm probably around the same with a rollbar, subwoofer, amplifier, but minus power windows, etc. I'm curious now to get mine weighed, though I have no idea where to find a place like that near me.

Your oil pressure sounds a bit high cold and hot, but probably not a concern. I have a VDO gauge in my instrument panel, not the useless Miata gauge. I'm probably 50-60 psi cold, and 20-30 at warm idle. You are running 5-20 or was that a typo? I run Mobil1 5w-30.

BGordon 11-10-2017 10:31 PM

You are correct, my bad.
5-30
Had to look to make sure

BGordon 11-22-2017 08:38 AM

Yesterday I got the car tuned at XP Racing in Oklahoma City and mostly all squared away.
On 91 octane it did 315 HP at 5600 rpm with 335 torque at 4600 rpm.
A bit below my pre-dyno guess of 325 but still solid numbers.
The thing I am most happy with is the amount of torque even down at 3250 rpm.
The tuner mentioned to me that his machine reads a bit lower than some of the other machines around town but as long as the car is tuned properly and runs good I don't really care. Going for big numbers was never my goal.
Now that I know the weight I can figure a comparative number.
Way back when the car had the factory motor it weighed about 2700 pounds with me behind the wheel and put out about 100 HP at the rear wheels which calculates to;
27 pounds per HP.
Now that it has the V8 after tuning it weighs 2850 pounds with me inside and puts 315 HP to the rear wheel which calculates to;
9 pounds per HP.
Not quite super car performance but still ahead of the numbers for my 2015 Mustang GT, which calculates to 10.1 pounds per HP.

One thing that came out during the tune is that one of my oxygen sensors are intermittently failing. What I get for using the sensors that came with the motor. I will buy a pair of new one's so that particular problem goes away. It was the root reason for the car to run rich as it was dumping fuel every time the sensor quit reading.
Another thing during the tuning session was that the tuner was surprised at how well the Corvette intake flowed air. He had to try several times to change the mapping to allow for it and said that he was surprised how much adjustment was necessary.
In order to get the car tuned I had to drive 240 miles round trip, far and away the longest trip for the Miata since I bought it. Even with the added insulation and sound deadener the car is not fun to drive long distances at high speeds.
Drove the turnpike for all but about 10 miles at 80 mph.
Based on the fuel used I got a rough estimate of 26 mpg, mostly due to the 6th gear overdrive keeping the RPM below 2000 and allowing some good mileage. That even included whatever fuel was used for the dyno tuning session. Miata's are not real good about allowing consistent fills but the number should be correct within 10%.

Now on to my list of small projects to get everything as squared away as I can make it.
The biggies are to remove the engine to replace the rear crank gasket and get rid of the tiny oil leak and also to replace the crappy factory shifter with a good unit.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...9f013099c2.jpg

5.0MX5 11-23-2017 04:49 PM

Bruce, Great report. Sounds like the car is about totally sorted out and ready for a major drive. One thing I do even after extensive sound mitigation work is keep a pair of ear plugs handy. Freeways equal ear plugs, particularly if the top's down as is usually the case. The 30 or so dB sound reduction is Nice!

BGordon 01-02-2018 11:24 AM

Guess I will call this V8 Miata build Part 2.
There will probably be pictures of the process as there are a couple of items I want to fabricate and clean up while the engine compartment is accessible.

After driving the car for a couple of months I decided to tear the car apart over the long weekend and work on it over the Winter.

The biggest two items to address while it is apart are that the rear of the engine still leaks about 3 drops a day, presumably from the rear seal and the 4th gear syncro went out on the transmission.
Guess it is no surprise as the stupid CAGS thing that was on the 1998 to 2002 Camaro's forced a person to shift from 1st to 4th when just driving around normal.
All in the name of fuel economy.
My drive train was so stock that nobody ever bothered to spend 5 minutes and $20 to insert a CAGS eliminator when the car was new, which put a bunch of extra wear on the 4th gear syncro.

While it is apart I will go ahead and have the transmission rebuilt and upgraded to handle more HP in case I want to bump up the performance another 150 HP in the future. A place down near Dallas has a good reputation for upgrading the T56 while doing a rebuild. Will cost $1100 for the upgrade but once that happens along with a good shifter that part of the drivetrains should be bullet proof.
As part of the stuff while it is down I will replace all the gaskets and seals just to make sure nothing leaks.

Originally I wanted to keep just enough patina on the engine to make it look like a well maintained 100k engine so the car would look as close to stock as possible.
After getting it all together that look does not work because so much of the under hood stuff is brand new.
Based on that I will go ahead and clean up the engine to match all the rest of the new stuff.
The exterior will still stay stock looking to maintain the sleeper look as much as possible.

Because I have an LS1 V8 engine under the hood, 300 HP is the bottom end of the performance potential with lots of gain by just changing the cam and intake.
One thing I am also considering is changing out the cam and intake to supposedly gain 80-90 HP, which would put me close to 400HP at the rear wheels.
The car feels wicked fast to my seat of the pants.
There is no way the car needs it but it is one of those things that comes under the category of "Might as well while it is apart".

The other reason I might upgrade the camshaft is in case I decide to sell it after completion later this year.
My guess is that a potential buyer will be much more willing to pay for 400 HP over 300 HP.
Most people are not like me cause I think 300 at the rear wheels with a 2700 lb car is plenty.

5.0MX5 01-03-2018 10:37 AM

"The other reason I might upgrade the camshaft is in case I decide to sell it after completion later this year.
My guess is that a potential buyer will be much more willing to pay for 400 HP over 300 HP.
Most people are not like me cause I think 300 at the rear wheels with a 2700 lb car is plenty."

I agree with all the above. My 5.0 in all probability is not at 300 whp, but it sure feels nice. On the resale possibility I think (V8 Miata fans) are likely not the most mature people you'll find. That said, our adolescent brains equate more as better, therefore 400 or 450 hp has to be Mucho better than 300 hp. Never mind most younger (potential) buyers will be woefully underskilled to safely enjoy all that excessive Power. Yep, 450 sounds about right. :)

BGordon 02-05-2018 12:41 PM

There has been a bit of a break in my Winter Miata project.
My father died of old age a couple of weeks ago and the whole experience just left me with no interest in working on the car.
He is the first close family member that I have lost and it hit me much harder than I expected it would.
The situation was no surprise as he has been in and out of the hospital every couple of months with heart issues.
While in the hospital with a low blood pressure issue he got pneumonia and everything just spiraled down hill from there.
Now I am back at it and have a goal of getting the car back up and running by the end of March for a family reunion.

I seem to be having a bit of problem with slight antifreeze leakage where the tubing actually connects to the heater core.
If anybody has a good long term fix, please let me know.
The little clamp and O-ring that Mazda utilizes to seal the tubing to heater core connection is really crappy looking but so far as I can tell there is no way to get away from it.
My guess is that is a common leakage spot from looking at threads over on the Miata forum.
My current plan is to remove my seat and lay under the dash and see what I can do to (hopefully) seal up that connection.
When I first noticed that I have some antifreeze under my carpeting I was worried that my copper tubing was leaking but after putting a pressure test on the line, mine is definitely dripping at that joint.
Hopefully some silicon high temperature form-a-gasket slathered onto the joint in conjunction with the rubber o-ring will make the problem go away.
If that doesn't work the only alternative I can figure is to braze or weld the tube directly to the heater core, something very tricky that might very well do nothing more than make a mess and force me into throwing away a brand new heater core.

Good news is that the car is apart anyway so it doesn't cause me any real problem as long as I can easily fix the issue.
On the camshaft swap I have decided to wait a while before doing anything.
The engine works so well presently that I just don't want to get into it beyond changing out all of the oil seal gaskets.
Changing the cam would also force me to have the tune redone so for the time being I will drive it with the engine un-modified and simply enjoy the car with the transmission rebuilt and upgraded.

grubinski 02-05-2018 08:07 PM

Sorry for your loss. I am 58, and I can see that day coming.

ToySnakePMC 02-06-2018 11:23 PM

Enjoy your posts and updates. Very sorry to hear about the loss as well. Wrenching on your V8M will give you a healthy distraction from time to time. Best of luck.

5.0MX5 02-07-2018 09:33 AM

First of all, condolences and prayers on the loss of your Dad. Many years ago (36 to be exact) when my dad passed, an old family friend told me that time helps with the sorrow and that I would remember the good times shared with Dad. He was right on both counts.

I'm not a fan of the encapsulation approach to leak repair, that said the only thing I'd add to your plan is do the very best job possible cleaning the area you hope to seal. Antifreeze leaves a sorta oily residue that would certainly mess with anything sealing. After cleaning with your cleaner of choice I'd use some 200 grit sand paper on the subject area to help with the mechanical bond.

There's a lot to be said for just enjoying what ya got with the current engine setup.

Good Luck,
RonR

BGordon 02-07-2018 10:45 AM

Thanks for all the kind thoughts and good wishes.
My father was an 80 year old man who lived an interesting life right to the end, which is more than can be said for many people.

On the car, I have figured out that cold weather takes the fun right out of working on it.
Even when I warm up the garage the various metal tools and pieces are still cold.
Since I have a couple of months I will be picky about actually working on the various projects but should have no problem getting the assembly back into the chassis and road worthy.
The higher cost items (AC, roll bar, tires, brakes) can be added easily down the road so the focus will be on little things.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...8e03f372b3.png
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...fa621e4cbc.png

BGordon 03-09-2018 10:17 AM

Time for an update.

The car is up and running much nicer than before.
As everything went back together I cleaned up a bunch of things to make the engine bay cosmetically prettier.
Did some touch up with body color paint and painted a bunch of the small engine bay bolting and clips in satin black so it would just fade into the background rather than standing out as clashing with the wiring and painted items.
I really need to take the car to the car wash and do a good cleaning on the engine bay because the dust has settled over everything.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...36c613ba3f.png


The windshield washer bottle got painted black with just a stripe unpainted on the back side to allow visual fill level.
Also found a much nicer power brake booster hose that has nice protective mesh over it and bought black hose clamps to make it look nice and clean. Cosmetically much better than the scabbed together parts I originally installed and in my opinion worth $30.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...a0b24310bf.png


On the left side I did a similar thing by painting the coolant overflow tank black and cleaning up the wiring.
Only wiring still not completed is associated with the air conditioning, which will be my next project.
I did add a vent plug to the upper heater hose but it is hidden behind the shock tower brace in the picture.
The first time round the car managed to vent the air on it's own, presumably because the car sat for so long as it was going together but this time round I could not get the air out of the system so backed up and added a vent tee and made a nice mess on the floor of my garage in the process.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...54d9aede9d.png

Not sure it visually looks as "factory" as I had hoped for but it is all clean and organized.

One thing I worried over was buying salvage engine and transmission and differential.
So far the salvage parts are not working out as well as I had hoped.
The engine itself is great and does not seem to have any issues.
The transmission lost the 4th gear syncro about a month after getting the car running so as part of the Winter tear down I had the transmission rebuilt and upgraded.
The guy who did the work did an outstanding job and I would highly recommend him if you are needing your T56 rebuilt or upgraded.
https://texasdrivetrainperformance.com/
The basic rebuild is $800 but I also had the entire transmission upgraded for a total cost of $1500.
The input shaft was upgraded, all the bearings were replaced, and he did a whole list of other upgrades to make the transmission suitable for at least 700 HP so that I will never have to worry over it again since I am only putting out just over 300HP at the wheels.
He spent 6 hours on the whole process and I got to watch and ask questions as he was replacing and upgrading the unit.
Very detail oriented and looked over each piece with a magnifying glass.
Felt like I got my money's worth and then some.
On top of that I replaced the shifter with the 5.0 unit so now the transmission is working flawlessly.

Originally the used $250 differential works well but it has what I consider to be excessive rotational slop and one of the seals has started leaking.
At the moment I am debating on either buying a brand new unit or having this unit rebuilt.
The car drives just fine but the leaking fluid falls on the exhaust and makes a burning fluid stink.

One of the brand new serpentine idler wheels was making a squeak as the car was running so I spent $90 to replace a brand new item but at least it did make the annoying noise go away. Just goes to show that just because you buy brand new doesn't necessarily mean that it will work correctly.

To this point I have not addressed upgrading the handling or brakes or tires as I want to get everything else lined out first.
Those will probably happen over the Summer to give me some weekend projects to tackle.

tbone heller 03-10-2018 09:21 AM

Be sure that your new brake booster vacuum line has the check valve made into it like the original one. Nice build!

BGordon 03-12-2018 07:48 AM

No worries.
I left the short 7/16" hose coming from the engine and the 7/16" to 3/8" hose barb and 3/8" check valve in place.
Simply replaced the crappy 3/8" brass 90 degree elbow and hoses on either side with a nice looking molded curved piece.

pj_mcgarvey 03-12-2018 08:12 AM

Don't recall if you posted any videos of it running, or driving? I'd like to see some :3gears:

engineer 03-16-2018 05:09 PM

Hi BG,

this is a great build thread. Well done. I thoroughly enjoyed the read. I noticed that your car is very similar in build philosophy and looks to mine, we even share the wooden rimmed steering wheel and tan beige interior :)

Looks great...and don't be too tempted to change that cam in a hurry for more power. A smooth running engine is always a pleasure to drive...having more power in exchange for average manners and poor fuel economy is not always a good trade for a daily driver. Been burnt before...I upgraded a cam once to get more power (which I did) but the driving the car for long periods was then a tiresome event instead of a pleasure.

Well done, its a great looking car and your build approach is spot on. !!

Cheers

BGordon 03-18-2018 08:24 PM

I changed out the differential for a brand new unit.
Ends up leaving me with a nice new unit in the car and a used unit in need of seals and shims.
Something that surprises me is how much easier and faster it is to switch out parts the second time round.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...24e252ca73.png


Something else I did was to participate in the local Autocross event here in Tulsa.
Learned a bunch about how the car handles and brakes.
It was my first time in 20 years so I begged one of the more seasoned drivers to ride with me and give some feedback and tips.
It was a PAX event so all together I got to do 8 passes.
The first was 56.8 with the good news being that I did not actually leave course.
Got a bit lost part way thru the course but figured it out without taking a penalty or DNF.
By the end my final run was a 50.5
Not my class but there were several Miata's in STR and they were doing laps in the low 46's and high 45's for comparison.
My biggest issue by far was the Continental street tires on the car.
One guy made the comment that my Miata had the most engine but the least tire at the event.
Compared to the grip of the performance street tires the Miata I rode in my car felt like it had half the grip.
Other than that the car performed flawlessly.
Did have a great time and will definitely be doing it again.

BGordon 05-02-2018 10:44 AM

Yesterday evening I took the Miata to a local Tuesday evening cruise night in Tulsa and actually hung around the car for a couple of hours to talk with interested people looking at the conversion.

Reactions were across the board.
Some people knew exactly what it was and seemed to have a better handle than me on the conversion.
Others were sort of "What the heck is THAT motor doing that that little bitty car?" with the front heavy tire smoker no handling vibe.
A couple of older guys did the "That is not a hot rod. What are you even doing here with the hood raised?"
One guy asked "Why did you do that ricer car instead of doing an AC Cobra kit car?" in a negative sort of tone.

Bottom line seemed to be that the traditional older guy hot rodders did not see it in a very positive light because it isn't a real American performance car but most people appeared to have a more generous view.
Guys in their teens and 20's were outright enthusiastic while looking at it and asking questions.
Three 70+ aged Corvette owners were real intrigued and talked to me for a good 30 minutes on what it takes to make the Miata into what one called a Mini-Vette.

I got there early enough to park at the more active end of the parking lot but nobody parked next to me in any direction as the evening progressed.
Made my poor car feel like it had some sort of disease and all the other cars were not wanting to get too close.

All in all it was a mixed bag but I did talk to a bunch of nice people.
Haven't decided if I will do it again.
The reception at the autocross is much more positive.

tbone heller 05-02-2018 02:08 PM

When I used to take my Miata or Cobra to shows, I would get there early and "abandon" my car. I would later return and ask questions to the bystanders about my own car. Talk about some fun times! I was amazed about others knowledge of MY cars. LMAO!!

pj_mcgarvey 05-02-2018 06:31 PM

Some of those comments are unfortunate, but don't really surprise me. Many have not driven, or might even think of being seen in a Miata, and have really no concept of the driving experience in general. Nothing wrong with the "cruising scene" but that's not really what these cars are about.

My town's annual car show is in a few weeks and I'd always thought about entering the Miata, but we'll see if my schedule works out. Just checked their web page and I see a Miata with Ford V8 swap! Hmmm. Ambler Auto Show Awards

I'd also do something like Tom's Turbo Garage with his LS3 Miata:
. FFWD to 8:00, the comments people make are just perfect.

CARBoy 05-02-2018 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24762)
Bottom line seemed to be that the traditional older guy hot rodders did not see it in a very positive light because it isn't a real American performance car but most people appeared to have a more generous view.
Guys in their teens and 20's were outright enthusiastic while looking at it and asking questions.
.

Yeah, I prefer taking mine to events with younger people. The guys my age or older don't seem to appreciate it. People in their 20's and 30's love it. I feel like the old guy there, but they don't seem to care.
Condolences on your loss.
Nice car.

MX-Brad 05-07-2018 09:10 AM

I’ve had a few similar experiences. The guys who build their own cars vs buying a completed project seem to appreciate my car more. Either way, negative comments don’t faze me one bit.

BGordon 06-25-2018 10:20 PM

One issue that needed addressed on the car is that it runs a bit hot as the air temperature gets to 100 deg. F.
Not too terrible but it creeps up to the 220-230 deg. F. range in stop and go traffic as well as steady highway driving.
It seems to be a normal problem with the Miata even with 4 cylinder engines and is a result of insufficient under hood air ventilation.
The problem is so common that you would have thought Mazda would have addressed it at some time.

When I looked into hood vents most of the solutions look too aftermarket for my taste.
My vision for my Miata is to have a car that shows as few external clues as possible that the car is anything besides stock.
To that end I searched forums and build threads and pictures on the internet as well as vendor vents.
No luck finding something that might appear factory to the uneducated masses until I looked at a thread over on the Miata Turbo forum in a thread discussing hood vents to take care of the high engine temperatures.

Finally found vents that have a factory look and feel and will install properly into a Miata hood for a factory appearance.
Bumper Vents for the 2011-2014 WRX
Price is good to at about $70 for both delivered to my door.

We have not had a true 100 degree F day since the installation but the car did get some road time with the temperature in the 90's and the water temperature gauge has not climbed over 200 degrees F., which is about where both fans are set to run.

All that information to explain the pictures.



Bumper Vents for the 2011-2014 WRX as purchased.
As you can see the vents come with inserts to keep debris from freely flowing thru but I did not utilize them in order to gain as much flow as is practical.

Each opening is about 1" tall x 4" wide.
If I had left the mesh in place my guess is it would have restricted the flow by about 25%.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...ee09bc6c6d.png



Miata hood layout for cuts.
They are located far enough apart to clear the Corvette cold air intake.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...89e2e4974b.png



Trial fitting of the vents.
Any water that does go thru the vents into the engine compartment will simply fall in the open area between the front accessory drive and the radiator fan.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...d2efa8ca41.png


Vents installed in the hood
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...bb276627a4.png


Here is a picture of the underside of the hood while test fitting the vent.
It still needs some cleaning up and paint but shows the fitment from the underside of the hood with the hood stiffeners.
Also notice that there is no need to trim as much of the stiffener as I did.
There is a red rag in the vent itself to make it easier to contrast the vent opening from the rest of the vent.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.v8m...65b2462fd8.png



The look of the vents closely matches the hood latches and the curvature fits the Miata hood very well.
Not too large so they fit the small stature of the car really well.
The openings are correctly placed per the Flyin Miata hood flow measurements in a location to aid pulling air flow from the engine compartment.
Originally the intention was to paint the plastic to match the hood but after looking at the installed vents I made an executive decision to leave them as black plastic for the time being.
If I decide they don't look proper later on it will be simple to put some paint on them.

I made a PDF drawing of the shape and a cutout line that worked for me.
If anybody is interested I can e-mail it to them, just send me a PM.

Hopefully the problem is solved and they look like a quality addition to the V8 swap.

BGordon 06-25-2018 10:35 PM

Oh yes, one other little tidbit of news.

My yellow Mustang that is shown in the very first picture of this thread got traded in over the weekend on a pickup.
It has been something I have been contemplating for some time.
It just makes no sense for me to have two performance rides, particularly when I very much prefer the Miata over the Mustang.

Honestly the Miata ruined me towards the Mustang.
Before buying the Miata I was happy with the Mustang and even considered installing a supercharger rather than building the Miata.
Once I bought the Miata the Mustang simply could not compare for the fun factor.

Just an example of how little things in life can sometimes surprise and change your mind.

CARBoy 06-25-2018 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24962)
One issue that needed addressed on the car is that it runs a bit hot as the air temperature gets to 100 deg. F.
Not too terrible but it creeps up to the 220-230 deg. F. range in stop and go traffic as well as steady highway driving.
It seems to be a normal problem with the Miata even with 4 cylinder engines and is a result of insufficient under hood air ventilation.
The problem is so common that you would have thought Mazda would have addressed it at some time.

When I looked into hood vents most of the solutions look too aftermarket for my taste.
My vision for my Miata is to have a car that shows as few external clues as possible that the car is anything besides stock.
To that end I searched forums and build threads and pictures on the internet as well as vendor vents.
No luck finding something that might appear factory to the uneducated masses until I looked at a thread over on the Miata Turbo forum in a thread discussing hood vents to take care of the high engine temperatures.

Finally found vents that have a factory look and feel and will install properly into a Miata hood for a factory appearance...

Hopefully the problem is solved and they look like a quality addition to the V8 swap.

They look very nice.
Are they only held on with double-sided tape?
How far below the hood do they extend into the engine bay?

Thanks,
Jon

BGordon 06-26-2018 08:27 AM

Sorry but I did not take a picture from the under side.
The vents taper from about 1" deep at the front to nothing at the back.
On the front they wedge in place against the hood opening.
On the sides they have wedges than allow the vent to snap into place presuming you cut the correct size opening in the hood.
On the rear at the moment there is double sided tape but am not happy with the finished piece as it leaves the plastic sitting slightly above the hood rather than sitting down tightly.
Still considering how to address that but am leaning towards putting a bead of silicon sealer across the back and then putting the vent in place with a small amount of weight to hold it down while the silicon dries.
Another possibility is that I might put two screws on the rear face down thru the hood just to make sure everything sits nice and flush.
That decision will tie in to the decision to paint or leave it black.
For the time being they are in place with tape to test the usefulness and let me look and decide on a permanent attachment.

CARBoy 06-26-2018 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24965)
Sorry but I did not take a picture from the under side.
The vents taper from about 1" deep at the front to nothing at the back.
On the front they wedge in place against the hood opening.
On the sides they have wedges than allow the vent to snap into place presuming you cut the correct size opening in the hood.
On the rear at the moment there is double sided tape but am not happy with the finished piece as it leaves the plastic sitting slightly above the hood rather than sitting down tightly.
Still considering how to address that but am leaning towards putting a bead of silicon sealer across the back and then putting the vent in place with a small amount of weight to hold it down while the silicon dries.
Another possibility is that I might put two screws on the rear face down thru the hood just to make sure everything sits nice and flush.
That decision will tie in to the decision to paint or leave it black.
For the time being they are in place with tape to test the usefulness and let me look and decide on a permanent attachment.

Yeah, I'd probably go with an adhesive of some sort for the rear edge. Otherwise, the fitment sounds great.
Where did you buy them?

THanks,
Jon

BGordon 06-26-2018 12:44 PM

https://www.fastwrx.com/products/200...ti-bumper-vent

CARBoy 06-28-2018 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24967)

I can't find the measurements of the inside area, the part that goes down into the hood. Would you mind measuring one of yours?

BGordon 06-28-2018 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by CARBoy (Post 24969)
I can't find the measurements of the inside area, the part that goes down into the hood. Would you mind measuring one of yours?

The shape is irregular.
Presumably you are asking about the actual cutout shape.
If so, you can see from my tape layout it is about 1/2" inside the outside cover shape.
There is also some cutting required to the hood braces but only a portion of the bracing so plenty is still in place.
The best way to address it for cutting would probably be to make a paper template from the inside shape of the vent and transfer that to the hood to get a good clean layout.
I did not do that so my cutout is not as clean as it could have been.

Will try to get some more detailed pictures this evening.

CARBoy 06-28-2018 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 24971)
The shape is irregular.
Presumably you are asking about the actual cutout shape.
If so, you can see from my tape layout it is about 1/2" inside the outside cover shape.
There is also some cutting required to the hood braces but only a portion of the bracing so plenty is still in place.
The best way to address it for cutting would probably be to make a paper template from the inside shape of the vent and transfer that to the hood to get a good clean layout.
I did not do that so my cutout is not as clean as it could have been.

Will try to get some more detailed pictures this evening.

Yeah, I assume they are some sort of trapezoid. My situation is a little different than yours. I don't have a center CAI, mine is the typical pipe that runs to one side between the radiator and front of the engine, right where these vents might dump rainwater. Its clearance to the hood is minimal, so I need to see where this vent would fit in relation to it and any cross members in that area. Therefore I need to know how far the part intrudes into the engine bay. You mentioned that it's about 1" deep and tapers back to flush. So I just need to know how wide (deep end) and long the inside measurements are to determine where in the bay they might fit based on the CAI tube and cross members.

Yeah, I would create a template based on the inside shape and cut from it.

Thanks,
Jon

ToySnakePMC 06-29-2018 05:58 PM

Love seeing another creative solution to Miata hood venting! That’s clean looking and reasonably priced to boot.
Let us know how your temps are affected.
and the more pics, the better.


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