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rookie 05-16-2010 05:21 AM

hood to head light gap
 
Another one for the ford guys... With my kn filter sitting directly behind the passenger head light when closing the hood and shining a light I can see the filter in about a 1/4 inch gap were the hood meets the head light. When it rains what is going to stop the water from being driven into my filter? It is an area of concern. I may be able to build a shield but not sure how much air I will be blocking.... I know the ford guys have to have some insite on this?

jwmezzanotte 05-16-2010 10:59 AM

One of the previous owners of my car built an enclosure around the air filter, its sealed off from the engine bay and gets air from the turn signal intake.
I'm not sure how well it works, but i "think" that it gets colder air than it would without it. :confused:
It has foam gaskets where the hood closes over it which might help, and possibly you could come up with something similar to protect your filter from water?
Anyhow i can get a couple pictures of it if your interested.

chpmnsws6 05-16-2010 11:52 AM

If you oil the filter like K&N recommends, you will have no issues. I have a hole in the top of my hood directly over the intake and had no issues with it. My WS6 also had the ram air mods done and after getting stuck driving in a monsoon, I checked the intake tract to find it was still bone dry.

tbone heller 05-16-2010 09:47 PM

Don't drive when it is raining.

rookie 05-17-2010 05:33 AM

yes for sure
 

Originally Posted by jwmezzanotte (Post 1179)
One of the previous owners of my car built an enclosure around the air filter, its sealed off from the engine bay and gets air from the turn signal intake.
I'm not sure how well it works, but i "think" that it gets colder air than it would without it. :confused:
It has foam gaskets where the hood closes over it which might help, and possibly you could come up with something similar to protect your filter from water?
Anyhow i can get a couple pictures of it if your interested.

I would welcome the pictures if you can post them that would be great!

tbone heller 05-17-2010 07:00 AM

I mounted my filter behind the bumper to lower IAT readings.

MRM331 05-17-2010 01:54 PM

1) - Pull up your headlight lids so they match the hood. I'd imagine they are pulled down by now.

2) - Usually there is a small plastic "rim" that goes around the lower side of the hood. If that's missing it may help.

-Jason

chpmnsws6 05-18-2010 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by MRM331 (Post 1195)
1) - Pull up your headlight lids so they match the hood. I'd imagine they are pulled down by now.

-Jason


Have you ever thought about shimming the back of the headlight in an effort to lift it up some? the weird gap where the hood is taller then the headlight as always bugged me!

MRM331 05-18-2010 09:54 AM

All you need to do is pull up slightly on the rear inner corner of each lid. A couple of good tugs and they will line up. Most have been pushed down over the years by people leaning on them when they work on the car.
-Jason

jwmezzanotte 05-18-2010 11:01 AM

Here is a picture with the lid on. The top is held with Velcro and pulls off to access the filter. There is still a gap between the headlight and the enclosure because the headlight needs to pivot when it goes up. I'm sure it could be sealed off somehow if you wanted to. I'm also sure there could be a way to build something like this....only with less ugly! :p
I kinda wonder though how much cold air it gets when the headlight is down, wouldn't the headlight block a lot of the passage from the turn signal intake?

https://www.v8miata.net/picture.php?...&pictureid=115

cover off, and you can see the signal intake. I don't know where these intakes came from, but i don't really like them. Eventually im sure i will swap them out with one of the plastic molded ones.
https://www.v8miata.net/picture.php?...&pictureid=117

Its sealed off quite well on the back as well. Also it looks like the rubber intake hose has been flipped around to change the filter location. I remember reading something about that in a post somewhere. Maybe that would be enough to pull your filter back from the light-hood gap?
https://www.v8miata.net/picture.php?...&pictureid=116

On my car there is still a gap between the hood and the headlight. I suppose water "could" get in there even with that shroud around it. I try not to drive my car in the rain, but i live on the north coast of bc canada, in a town that has been the "rainiest city in Canada" more than once. Ive only owned the car just under a year, but i haven't noticed any water in that area at all in that time.

jwmezzanotte 05-18-2010 11:02 AM

btw, i also need to pull my headlight covers up

MRM331 05-18-2010 12:33 PM

I still think that car has the coolest paint job ever.

I turn the rubber intake hose around like that when I use one (not this time). It does seem to move the intake back a little.

Another solution if you're really worried is to cut a hole in the inner fender and run it down into the "void" area behind the right side marker light. People who have done this have used stock Ford cone filter enclosures from late model vehicals to keep the rain out.

-Jason

jwmezzanotte 05-18-2010 02:19 PM

I really like the paint also :D

rookie 05-19-2010 05:56 AM

Thanks for the pictures....It is fuel for thought. What I did was take a little from everyone... I first loosened the hood bolts and pulled the hood down a bit. Then took the plastic shrouding off around the head light and loosened the 4 phillip head screws and moved the metal headlight cover up... Then grabbed both sides of the metal cover and pulled them up a bit as the metal is very thin. This brought everything in line. Just added a thin piece of black insulating tape to act as a gasket to close the remaining gap. And my kn filter is straight out of the box and appears to be oiled or it should be oiled as it is brand new. Thanks for everyones help as it turned out very good.


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