5.0 Timing Question- help appreciated!
So I can't for the life of me figure out what's going on with my timing. I pull the spout connector, attempt to set it to 10*, but as I'm moving it to 10* it just sounds like it wants to die. It sounds like it's choking out and grasping for air. The more timing, the happier it is. How can this be? I'm not too familiar with the motor, I just know it's a 93 5.0 with gt40p heads and a gt40 intake. Maybe it's the cam? Maybe the timing chain? I'm stumped. I've done a good bit of googling but can't come up with it. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated!
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Could be that your factory balancer has slipped & is now junk.
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Originally Posted by tbone heller
(Post 19569)
Could be that your factory balancer has slipped & is now junk.
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Its normal for the idle to drop way down when pulling out the spout connector. Does it idle back up and run smooth after you plug the spout connector back in? If so, I wouldn't worry about it......
10 degrees base is really low though. I know 10 degrees is factory but I like to run more base than that...... |
Originally Posted by Five-o-joe
(Post 19577)
Its normal for the idle to drop way down when pulling out the spout connector. Does it idle back up and run smooth after you plug the spout connector back in? If so, I wouldn't worry about it......
10 degrees base is really low though. I know 10 degrees is factory but I like to run more base than that...... |
Balancer could be spun like tbone said. Is it a stock balancer? If so, how old?
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Originally Posted by Five-o-joe
(Post 19579)
Balancer could be spun like tbone said. Is it a stock balancer? If so, how old?
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If to were me I'd put a new balancer on it, reset timing to TDC, and re-time it.
If you don't want to do that, then I'd keep bumping the timing up until it pings under wide open throttle, then back the timing down 2 degrees and just ride out like that. |
This may be a totally dumb thing to say, however I was timing a Pontiac 400 a while back and by habit I put the timing light on the front passenger side spark plug (I'm a Ford guy). Same exact kind of issues you point out here. Of course, on the Pontiac 400 number one cylinder is on the driver side (I realized my mistake while on a beer break). Good Grief!
So make sure you have the timing light on number one! Passenger side front cylinder! |
Originally Posted by V8MiataMike
(Post 19584)
This may be a totally dumb thing to say, however I was timing a Pontiac 400 a while back and by habit I put the timing light on the front passenger side spark plug (I'm a Ford guy). Same exact kind of issues you point out here. Of course, on the Pontiac 400 number one cylinder is on the driver side (I realized my mistake while on a beer break). Good Grief!
So make sure you have the timing light on number one! Passenger side front cylinder! I Think I may pull the balancer and timing belt, reset them with a new one, and try again. I just hate throwing parts at something without an official diagnosis. :/ |
I replaced tps, dizzy, plugs, wires, coil, and found I had plugged injectors. Still wouldn't go right, I had swapped 4 and 5 wires. Also discovered wobbly balancer. Symptoms were different though.
Good luck, you have my sympathy. |
Originally Posted by nnowa07
(Post 19565)
So I can't for the life of me figure out what's going on with my timing. I pull the spout connector, attempt to set it to 10*, but as I'm moving it to 10* it just sounds like it wants to die. It sounds like it's choking out and grasping for air. The more timing, the happier it is. How can this be? I'm not too familiar with the motor, I just know it's a 93 5.0 with gt40p heads and a gt40 intake. Maybe it's the cam? Maybe the timing chain? I'm stumped. I've done a good bit of googling but can't come up with it. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated!
Originally Posted by Five-o-joe
(Post 19577)
Its normal for the idle to drop way down when pulling out the spout connector. Does it idle back up and run smooth after you plug the spout connector back in? If so, I wouldn't worry about it......
10 degrees base is really low though. I know 10 degrees is factory but I like to run more base than that...... |
Hey now did you figure it out? Curiosity is killing me.
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Originally Posted by Lateralgeez
(Post 19645)
Hey now did you figure it out? Curiosity is killing me.
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Originally Posted by nnowa07
(Post 19573)
I should've mentioned that I stuck a dowel in cylinder 1 until it was at TDC and the mark on the balancer was at 0. So I'm guessing it's lined up.. But it would by be the first time I was wrong.
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Originally Posted by tbone heller
(Post 19662)
It is lined up when sitting still, but what about when it is running?:vash:
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Originally Posted by nnowa07
(Post 19573)
I should've mentioned that I stuck a dowel in cylinder 1 until it was at TDC and the mark on the balancer was at 0. So I'm guessing it's lined up.. But it would by be the first time I was wrong.
Screw in the piston stop, and then rotate the engine until the piston hits the stop, and you can't rotate the engine any more. Make a mark on the balancer. Turn the engine the other way until the the piston hits the stop again. Mark the balancer again. Exactly half way between these two marks is TDC for that piston. It's more accurate with a degree wheel. But you can do it with masking tape, a pen, and a ruler. |
Originally Posted by .boB
(Post 19669)
I think I see your problem. This is not how you find TDC. You do need a piston stop. You can buy one, or make one out of a spark plug.
Screw in the piston stop, and then rotate the engine until the piston hits the stop, and you can't rotate the engine any more. Make a mark on the balancer. Turn the engine the other way until the the piston hits the stop again. Mark the balancer again. Exactly half way between these two marks is TDC for that piston. It's more accurate with a degree wheel. But you can do it with masking tape, a pen, and a ruler. The motor wants to run at more like 20* ATDC, as opposed to 10*BTDC. Thanks though, and the more brains on it the better. I'm just really hoping I don't have to pull it all and rebuild... |
Yup, that's close enough.
Pull the valve cover and put a dial indicator on the #1 intake rocker arm. Using a degree wheel, make sure the valve events are happening pretty close to where you want them to. If not, then the cam could be installed wrong. Or it has the wrong firing order. There were a couple of different firing orders for Windsor cams. |
Timing chain off by a tooth?
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Just remembered something that might help! I had TDC on the exhaust stroke instead of the compression stroke. Stuck finger in spark plug hole and turned crank until pressure built up. Then used that TDC to set dizzy.
Now unless you've had the distributor out (I did) then the previous owner would have screwed up. Hopefully you have a way to contact them. Might be helpful. I learned some important things from both the builder and previous owner of my pos lol. |
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